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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 3, 2012 2:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: No longer waiting for delivery of the Spring '90 Box

Well... The thing is, the E72 box set was "Complete"! (Except for a couple little scraps.)
For them to have left out the music included on, say, Steppin' Out & Hundred Year Hall would've been silly, I think.

This box set is merely a selection of 6 shows, which goes to some lengths not to repeat any shows previously released. (Exceptions: some songs from 3/26 are repeated from Dozin', the 3/22 S>F was on So Many Roads, and the 3/30 H>S>F was on Without a Net.)
It's noticeable how they waltzed around all the previously released 3/24 tracks for this set. Buyers can't toss away their old Dozin' CDs now! So the decision-making is entirely different than what it was for E72 (likewise, the decision not to remix from the 24-track).
Maybe this box set would be better "value" if it had the complete 3/24 show in one place, or if they did stick the Marsalis show in there. It does make sense to me why they didn't, but it's a debatable issue!
Perhaps this could be renamed the "Remaining 3/24/90 Tracks Plus Six Random Spring '90 Shows As Filler" box set...

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Poster: Arck Date: Sep 3, 2012 5:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: No longer waiting for delivery of the Spring '90 Box

I can't understand the reasoning behind this. If the other shows will supposedly come out later, why not just release all of them now? If they release some of them later as individual shows they're conceding that this set was just a way to get people to buy shows they wouldn't want to get as individual releases, in order to jack up the price.

I probably would have considered getting it if it had been a complete tour or, more likely, something logical like a complete Nassau box. A selection of some shows from a tour, many of which are commonly regarded as nowhere near the best, delivered in a box with the assurances that other (i.e. better) shows from the tour will come out later? Give me my Winterland '73 set any day.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 3, 2012 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: No longer waiting for delivery of the Spring '90 Box

Their reasoning was probably just as mercenary as you say. Since it was left off this set, I'm in no doubt that 3/29/90 will be released in full someday, by itself. (As long as there are no royalty issues with Marsalis.)
3/24/90, I would guess won't be on any more releases.

Another difference from E72 is that they said this time they will not release these shows individually. So personally I think it was the wise choice not to include 3/29, so it will be available to more people later on.

Why this wasn't the complete spring '90 tour - that's interesting to speculate. After all it wouldn't be nearly as many CDs as E72, and the setlists are more diverse, plus this set has much more of a "nostalgia factor" for the people who were there (as we're seeing in this thread). Since I'm not much of a '90 fan, it seems to me like an admission that the music doesn't hold up as well over the whole tour.
At any rate, demand for this was much less than for E72 - it's unbelievable they STILL haven't sold out! (Maybe they're now kicking themselves for not including 3/29.)
Financially, though, it was probably in their interests to save the best, most famous show for later release, even though it makes this set less 'valuable.' They'll sell it out eventually.

By the way, I'm not opposed to the "selection of shows from a tour" idea - I think it would often be better than the "run of shows from a single venue" that they so often go with. (For instance, I think a release of 11/11, 11/14 + 11/17/73 would've been stronger in some ways than the Winterland 11/9-11/73 set.)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 3, 2012 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: No longer waiting for delivery of the Spring '90 Box

I NEVER get involved in these threads about eras well beyond my own, but I am also surprised by how many folks that discuss the early era with me purchased this...I really see almost no connections in the music (easy for me to say since I excise the "connecting" 19 yrs by choice).

IMHO, they are just two different bands, one of which is really off, UNLESS you were there...?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 3, 2012 5:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: No longer waiting for delivery of the Spring '90 Box

Since it is a limited release, if they sell out the box, then you are correct, it made sense to leave 3-24 and 3-29 out so they can sell them in addition to the "Random Six." One could argue that all those shows would have done was resulted in the box selling out faster. However if they are unable to sell a significant portion of those last 1200 boxes, then it was a mistake to leave one or both of those shows out. I probably would have pulled the trigger if 3-24 and 3-29 were in the box so I am happy they were excluded. I can hope and wait to see if they will appear as individual releases or just listen to the copies I already own.

There was a lot of speculation that these were not the 24-track recordings based on the somewhat mirky language in the announcement. Has that been confirmed? That is a real shame if it is true. This box came out to be a lot more $/disc than E72 and apparently required a lot less work on the music end. You really are just paying for artwork and "accouterments" as Cliff noted.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 3, 2012 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: No longer waiting for delivery of the Spring '90 Box

It's a good question what we Archive denizens, with thousands of shows, are really paying for when we buy the exact same tapes from dead.net - just nice packaging, basically!

I'm sure the box set must have some liner notes talking about the source tapes, so someone who has the box could confirm. But from what I read on LL, the 24-tracks were not used. And (as opposed to E72) there was conspicuously no mention of any lengthy remixing project from dead.net.

Since I can't compare the mixes, I won't judge whether this was for better or worse. With Norman at the helm, it's debatable whether a 24-track remix would actually be better than a rough mix made at the time. (I know I prefer some of the E72 2-track mixes to some of the E72 box-set mixes.)